On average there are around 1.1 to 1.2 million deaths--NATION WIDE--each year. At over 430,000 per year, deaths due to Cardiac problems leads the way. Most of this is due to the fact that America is obese and out of shape. Over 40,000 a year die from injuries suffered in auto accidents.

In other words., "millions" are NOT dying because they CAN'T get health care; free or otherwise.

Of course these numbers does not take into account the roughly 1.2 million abortions performed each year.

Can't remember the exact web address but it can be found. There is some really EYE-OPENING information available there.

Tens of millions have NONE at all and million die every year because of it!

Meanwhile the lifetime medicaid leaches send their rugrats to the doctor everytime they pass gas!!

I believe the ultimate goal here is to cover these millions under a government program for several years then FORCE them under threat of fines and imprisonment to aquire a private insurance policy at a later date.

The insurance lobby is FAR too powerful and has paid FAR too many bribes in Washington for me to believe that anything else is possible

Pathetic Right Wingers and their distortions.

How the*****do you take something out of a bill that was never there to start with?

Now I know where that BS came from. Some bimbo on FauxNoiseChannel just reported that.

Proud Vet here is your page 239 14-24. (c) LIMITATION ON PHYSICIANS’ SERVICES IN15 CLUDED IN TARGET GROWTH RATE COMPUTATION TO 16 SERVICES COVERED UNDER PHYSICIAN FEE SCHED17 ULE.—Effective for services furnished on or after January 18 1, 2009, section 1848(f)(4)(A) of such Act is amended 19 striking ‘‘(such as clinical’’ and all that follows through 20 ‘‘in a physician’s office’’ and inserting ‘‘for which payment 21 under this part is made under the fee schedule under this 22 section, for services for practitioners described in section 23 1842(b)(18)(C) on a basis related to such fee schedule, 24 or for services described in section 1861(p)

If you see DEATH PANELS in that-you must be a right wing loony.

Speaks well of the mentality of the voters in your opinion. Just because he is a Democrat he should be elected. Adds to the mystery how those dead people come back to life on election day!

THANK YOU = WAITING TO SEE THE REPLY FROM wvhoopie! I think she has the hots for her since she can not go a day without mentioning her name. Don't they call that being fascinated with her or held spellbound by an irresistible power. What do you think?

That expression does not convince me that he has MY best interests at heart. Or Zipcode's, or NancySi's or anybody else. What does his expression tell you? Again, you can lie to me and all here, but you can't lie to yourself.

Why bother you went against the wishes the the Catholic Church the moment you voted for Obama or any politician that supports ABORTION!

So NO, I don't believe I missed the point as all!!! What I see here is an attempt to add yet another gov't layer onto an already complicated multi-layered process. This will not increase efficiency nor reduce health care costs!

And I've been through the "end of life" discussion w/ both parents so I understand the dilemma that you and sibs experienced.

"On the far right, this is being portrayed as a plan to force everyone over 65 to sign his or her own death warrant. That's rubbish. Federal law already bars Medicare from paying for services "the purpose of which is to cause, or assist in causing," suicide, euthanasia or mercy killing. Nothing in Section 1233 would change that."

I agree w/ Lane's point here.

He also says;

Section 1233, however, addresses compassionate goals in disconcerting proximity to fiscal ones. Supporters protest that they're just trying to facilitate choice -- even if patients opt for expensive life-prolonging care. I think they protest too much: If it's all about obviating suffering, emotional or physical, what's it doing in a measure to "bend the curve" on health-care costs?"

Truth, The provision as indicated on pages 425-430 on HR 3200 does discuss some good common sense ideas for end of life scenarios. But when it comes to statements (from pages 427/428) like; "A program for orders for life sustaining treatment for a States described in this clause is a program that; (IV) is guided by a coalition of stakeholders includes representatives from emergency medical services, emergency department physicians or nurses, state long-term care association, state medical association, state surveyors, agency responsible for senior services, state department of health, state hospital association, home health association, state bar association, and state hospice association." State hospital assoc? State Bar assoc? State surveyors?

Why would I want any of those groups "guiding" any part of that decision making process!