Manchin, Capito Right About Coal
By the News-RegisterFormer Vice President Al Gore is correct about one thing. "The survival of the United States of America as we know it is at risk," he said last week.
But what Gore won't admit is that if the nation pursues the agenda he is pushing, Americans will pay dearly.
Unfortunately, too many policy makers and public opinion molders seem to be in Gore's corner. It's too bad they aren't paying attention to more thoughtful, realistic leaders such as West Virginia Gov. Joe Manchin.
Manchin believes that coal is the answer to our nation's energy dilemma. He has proposed modest government programs to make more use of various technologies that would allow more use of coal - while not harming the environment. One of the governor's campaigns involves a network of coal liquefaction plants here in the Mountain State.
U.S. Rep. Shelley Moore Capito, R-W.Va., also understands the need for the United States to rely more, not less, on coal. She has proposed legislation that would boost the coal liquefaction industry in much the same way as an existing law has helped ethanol producers.
Gore's reaction to proposals such as those by Manchin and Capito has been flat, unquestioning rejection. He is proposing that the nation engage in a massively expensive 30-year program to eliminate use of all fossil fuels. He claims the price tag would be $1 trillion - but that undoubtedly is just a fraction of the true cost of what he proposes.
The former vice president believes - or claims he does - that it is possible for Americans to rely solely on sources of energy such as wind solar power, within 30 years. That is absurd. It also is dangerous. Putting the nation's energy eggs into Gore's basket would cost enormous sums of money - and leave Americans not just in debt, but also without the liquid and gaseous fuels that are essential to our society and economy.
Wishful thinking such as that advocated by Gore already has gotten Americans into a serious problem involving energy. He's right about just one thing: our very survival as a prosperous nation is at risk if rational ideas such as those advocated by the likes of Manchin and Capito are not heeded.
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Georgetwin
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08-01-08 8:30 AM
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'boils' in English.
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robojock
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07-31-08 2:46 PM
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The church did not have science, but had church concensus and this is just what Global Warming is; nothing but consensus for the University / government dollar and tenure.
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Maestle
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07-31-08 1:50 PM
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Robo, It has been known in science for millenia that the earth revolves around the sun. The church was just backwards.
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robojock
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07-31-08 12:10 PM
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With that thought, regarding concensus, includes a mass of government grants and funding by liberal politicians to "prove" their talking points are science. Such problem even has filtered to public schools, where the science experiment has disappeared, to be replaced by surveys, which is what a consensus is. Think back centuries prior, when church officials all believed, by survey, that the sun traveled around the Earth and that the Earth was flat. Then along came science and measurement, which gave proof, scientific proof, to alternate theories, theories we know today as hard fact, backed up by science and not survey. Global Warming is a step backward in time to that period, when "we know and can prove" has been replaced by "we believe because we get funding".
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Georgetwin
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07-31-08 11:11 AM
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Maestle, even Al Bore said Global Warming was a ‘consensus’ i.e. a majority opinion. Science is based on ABSOLUTES! Water freezes at 32 degrees and oils at 212 degrees. Consensus or Absolute?
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Maestle
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07-30-08 6:32 PM
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Not all scientists predicted we'd be in deep crap by now, but predict another 50+ years before we any serious problems. Al gore is just an example of the far left. There are plenty more, less insane people who still believe global warming is a threat that we may need to do deal with. Just take a walk through wheeling creek, it has more garbage in it, and along the shore then the dump.
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robojock
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07-30-08 3:44 PM
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home should be hole, sorry!
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robojock
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07-30-08 3:43 PM
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Maestle you actually appear to be an intelligent individual. You just can't take that leap to comprehend that Global Warming is also refuted by science. If you research statements made by Al Gore and other notable "scientists", in 1992, they stated that the Earth was in crisis and an ozone home would appear over North America. This never happened! Those same scientists also stated that we would war to over 100 degrees, in average, by 2010. This definitely has not happened. Additionally, all I hear is "we are dead in 10 years, "20 years", etc., and "we have numbers to back this". It all turns out to be garbage. While this goes on, legitimate concerns, like the fact that we dump millions of tons of garbage in the ocean every day, and rainforests, which provide biological diversity, are wiped out. True environmentalism is stopping garbage in our streams and oceans and actually having numbers to say that the plans worked. A solid scientific number, a bas
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Maestle
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07-30-08 3:14 PM
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What you just posted is not "FACT" ITs your opinion. You need to post facts, to back your opinion up. I AM NOT A LIBERAL. I AM AGAINTS ABORTION, AND PRO GUN, AND PRO NUCLEAR, AND ANTI WELFARE. Does that sound like a Liberal to you?
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Georgetwin
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07-30-08 10:38 AM
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Maestle, FACT: Global Warming is Tree Hugger Propaganda. Every time I state a fact that goes against your Liberal Agenda, YOU insult me. On this thread you pull the Liberal Trick of ‘It’s for the children.” Liberals say this BUT they would abort said children at the drop of a hat. You are a Liar and a Coward!
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Maestle
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07-29-08 3:36 PM
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I just searched the entire thread, among 4 others with your posts. You have not posted one SINLGE fact. Nothing. Not even close, your just opinion, and your insults towards me. Man, you really do make americans look good.
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Georgetwin
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07-29-08 10:12 AM
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Maestle, I post facts galore, they don't fit your agenda and you ignore them. NOT MY PROBLEM!
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Maestle
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07-28-08 6:08 PM
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You dont have to believe it, if you are blind to science, and easily referencable facts. That is your loss, not mine.
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Maestle
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07-28-08 5:17 PM
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George you have yet to post any "Facts" that disagree with what i say. All you do is call me names, Coward, terrorists, "liberal" Why dont you show these "facts" you talk about. Or maybe its because "Facts" dont fit your political agenda.
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robojock
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07-28-08 3:42 PM
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Maestle, I frankly do not believe you. Who do you work for? Where are your degrees from? You do not sound like a scientist. You above all should understand the scientific method, if you are who you say you are. Also, how do you deny that the US was covered with glaciers before and they melted while man used the Clovis point. Quit with your politics and show me science! You may sway me, but you are not, by resorting to name calling, like a 10 year old.
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Maestle
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07-28-08 1:44 PM
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Why is it closed minded drones of the sean hannity, blame everything on "liberals", acuse anyone they dont agree with, as being a "liberal". Facts? Support global warming. They also support your ignorance for the truth. They also support your biggotry and close mindedness. But Im not liberal, i wouldn't be ashamed to be liberal. I would however be ashamed to a be a gay hating, muslim hating, repulican like you.
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Georgetwin
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07-28-08 10:58 AM
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RJock, Truth & Facts are to Maestle as Sunlight is to Dracula. Why is it LIBERALS refuse to admit they are LIBERAL? What are they ashamed of?
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Maestle
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07-25-08 3:43 PM
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Yeah, the poles were warmer, but they didnt have swamps, which is generally where coal comes from. Yet coal can be found at both polls. In the case of the north pole its under the ice in the sea floor. I understand how scary plate techtonics must be for you. PS, im a computer/aerospace engineer. Glad you work for consol. You should ask them where the pittsburgh seam comes from, cause your ideas are silly. Rapid global warming? Noone needs long term data, Just look at sat photos of our ice. Its Gone, Glacier natl park, wont have glaciers in 10 years. 80% are gone. You keep reading your ONE source, while i'll continue reading multiple sources, and decide for my self, like any intelligent person would do. PS, once again. Im not liberal, im not "left"
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robojock
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07-25-08 1:31 PM
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You can also research major problems with methods used by the US Weather Service in taking measurements. Research Criticism of the United States land surface temperature record in any search engine and you can find independent research of barometric equipment kept on concrete floors, tipped over, and moved! This is not proper scientific method, because locality change of such equipment will give variation, and this is coming from one of the scientists that instituted the program and John Coleman, Weather Station founder. If you are brave enough and can read, read his blogs at ICECAP, a scientific website that boasts a stellar lineup of world-class meteorologists. One quote therein states "“Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long-term scientific data back in the late 1990s to create an illusion of rapid global warming.... Their friends in government steered huge research grants their way to keep the movement going. Soon they claimed to b
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robojock
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07-25-08 1:17 PM
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Also, for further info, there are numerous other science articles dictating that both poles were at one time warmer. Remember, we also had an Ice Age, and it ended. Why? Because the Earth warmed, while we were wearing fur!
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robojock
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07-25-08 1:14 PM
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Also, I worked for Consol and know much about the Pittsburgh coal seam.
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robojock
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07-25-08 1:13 PM
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Maestle I think you are an absolute moron and idiot for attacking me in that manner, but, from what you type I can tell that you are a liberal that does not alloe dissenting opinions. I also do teach computer science and economic science, both of which you are quite ignorant about. Read THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD: The Basic Principles of The Scientific Method, if you can read, because you sound quite uneducated. It describes basic scientific process and literacy as well as experimentation process, ignored in today's Al Gore school systems. Also if you are going to attack my credentials, provide yours, we'll compare, you ignorant, uneducated, probably unemployed, fool.
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Georgetwin
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07-25-08 11:47 AM
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Maestle, were you born a coward or did you learn it in school. Anyone who disagrees with THE COWARD, Maestle, is denigrated and if you answer back in kind, Maestle the Coward flags you. Take a hike, Coward!
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beanranch
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07-24-08 11:57 PM
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GTwin,thank you!
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Maestle
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07-24-08 3:47 PM
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Robo, you just proved you know nothing of science. With a few expections, the reason fossil fuels are found in cold enviorments are a little thing we like to call plate techntonics. I hope your not teaching a science class, if you think just because the coal is in the north pole, that is where it was created. Take the Pittsburgh coal seam, the area of land that it was created on, was much closer to the equator when it was created. But i didnt really expect intelligence from you anyway
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